Thursday, April 23, 2009
Friday, April 17, 2009
Feng shui shopkeeper loses court case
Friday, 25 January, 2002, 17:25 GMT
Feng shui shopkeeper loses court case
The art of feng shui has become increasingly popular
A Chinese shopkeeper who claimed his business would suffer because of poor feng shui if he was forced to move, has lost his fight against relocation.
Tak Ping Yeung claimed his family's human rights would be infringed by moving his gift shop in London's Chinatown from 6 Gerrard Street to 4 Gerrard Street to make way for a new restaurant.
The two buildings, owned by Waller Investment Trust, are said to be practically identical, except for one thing - four is considered a bad omen.
But Judge Anthony Hallgarten dismissed the claim.
Tak Ping Yeung's gift shop is located in China Town.The shop has traded since 1979 at No 6.
He told the Central London County Court hearing it was no different to someone not wanting to move because they feared the house was haunted, or on the basis of an astrological prediction.
"While I entirely respect and accept his belief in feng shui, I do not think that the landlord is obliged to comply with beliefs that would stifle normal economic interests," he said.
Since 1979, Mr Yeung, 49, has been trading successfully in ornaments, charms and horoscopes, and believes the shop's good fortune is down to feng shui, the ancient art of arranging furniture and spaces to maximise health and prosperity.
But he claimed that moving the shop to number four - a number that sounds like "death" in Chinese - would spell doom for the family's prosperity, and even pose a threat to their physical well-being.
Lawyers representing Mr Yeung's landlord today withdrew the offer to move into number four, but instead offered him £67,000 in compensation.
However, Mr Yeung, who was not in court to hear the ruling, was ordered to pay costs, which are expected to be at least £40,000.
Simon Serota, from Wallace and Partners, the law firm acting for the landlord, said he was very happy with the result.
"It is what we had always expected," he said.
He added that had the decision been different, it could have had serious implications for future planning cases.
Feng shui shopkeeper loses court case
The art of feng shui has become increasingly popular
A Chinese shopkeeper who claimed his business would suffer because of poor feng shui if he was forced to move, has lost his fight against relocation.
Tak Ping Yeung claimed his family's human rights would be infringed by moving his gift shop in London's Chinatown from 6 Gerrard Street to 4 Gerrard Street to make way for a new restaurant.
The two buildings, owned by Waller Investment Trust, are said to be practically identical, except for one thing - four is considered a bad omen.
But Judge Anthony Hallgarten dismissed the claim.
Tak Ping Yeung's gift shop is located in China Town.The shop has traded since 1979 at No 6.
He told the Central London County Court hearing it was no different to someone not wanting to move because they feared the house was haunted, or on the basis of an astrological prediction.
"While I entirely respect and accept his belief in feng shui, I do not think that the landlord is obliged to comply with beliefs that would stifle normal economic interests," he said.
Since 1979, Mr Yeung, 49, has been trading successfully in ornaments, charms and horoscopes, and believes the shop's good fortune is down to feng shui, the ancient art of arranging furniture and spaces to maximise health and prosperity.
But he claimed that moving the shop to number four - a number that sounds like "death" in Chinese - would spell doom for the family's prosperity, and even pose a threat to their physical well-being.
Lawyers representing Mr Yeung's landlord today withdrew the offer to move into number four, but instead offered him £67,000 in compensation.
However, Mr Yeung, who was not in court to hear the ruling, was ordered to pay costs, which are expected to be at least £40,000.
Simon Serota, from Wallace and Partners, the law firm acting for the landlord, said he was very happy with the result.
"It is what we had always expected," he said.
He added that had the decision been different, it could have had serious implications for future planning cases.
Wednesday, April 1, 2009
前馬華總會長黃家定，家泉昆仲的祖墳
中華先賢爲何會選春分后穀雨前為清明節呢？（掃墓通常在清明前十天和后十天）原來古賢們發現春分是地球赤道和地球繞太陽運行的黃道重疊的節氣，故認爲在此時間内拜祭祖先，後人會和祖先骸骨的磁場產生感應，原理和電池充電雷同，所以這就是為什麼很多不孝子孫從不去掃墓運氣很差的原因。
讀者們如要有好的運氣，記得每年在清明時節要去掃墓，已盡孝道，求取好的磁場感應，改進運氣。
這期要介紹和分析的是座落在霹靂州玲瓏埠廣福義塚的前馬華總會長黃家定，家泉昆仲的祖墳。
此龙发脈自玲珑埠市区后的祖山，一路之玄，苍劲有力，高低起伏的往西奔去。另一支护龙在此龙脉的右手从护随行，左手有一大河，隨龍而流向朝山后聚成一湖。
此龍在奔走约莫3公里后，过峡起顶开帐出青龙砂，父母靠山为一圆顶贪狼星，落脉束气结穴，而黄家祖坟点在正穴位上，此龙结的乃是左单提穴，只有左方有青龙砂没有右白虎砂。但右方有一护龙一路环护捲案至前方形成案山和朝山
如果从墓穴正前方看去，案山为一武曲金星，案山后的朝山神似一个元宝形的官帽砂。此穴明堂开阔左青龙砂和右护砂挠案至明堂，形成一环护藏风聚气的堂局，气派万千，但此穴只发官贵，不发豪富，因为明堂内并无真水。
在理气上，此穴是三合派的造葬手法，合乙丙交而趨戌火局，坐卯向酉（坐東向西），堂局水口出戌墓库水，来龙辰，水口戌合玄空六法八运，雌雄挨星合十，另外也符合龙门八局水法和九星，辅卦等水法，但此墓的内堂造墓出水口在坤方为一错误的人造出水口，不吉，另外青龙砂合赖布衣先师所创的廿八宿催官拨砂法。
此墓的来龙，结穴，青龙砂，合催官拨砂法，向，案山，朝山（形似官帽砂）父母靠山为一圆顶贪狼星主出高官贵人，来龙入首辰当运，水法出戌八运当令，故无怪八運（1996年后）会孕育出黄家兄弟一门二傑，出二个一品高官（联邦正部长）。
但可惜的是其来龙只是约三公里远，龙气太短，故官运不太长，但黄家定曾做马华总会长，当朝华裔官职最高，兄长家泉官拜联邦房屋及地方政府部长，黄家可说光宗耀祖，此生无憾矣！
讀者們如要有好的運氣，記得每年在清明時節要去掃墓，已盡孝道，求取好的磁場感應，改進運氣。
這期要介紹和分析的是座落在霹靂州玲瓏埠廣福義塚的前馬華總會長黃家定，家泉昆仲的祖墳。
此龙发脈自玲珑埠市区后的祖山，一路之玄，苍劲有力，高低起伏的往西奔去。另一支护龙在此龙脉的右手从护随行，左手有一大河，隨龍而流向朝山后聚成一湖。
此龍在奔走约莫3公里后，过峡起顶开帐出青龙砂，父母靠山为一圆顶贪狼星，落脉束气结穴，而黄家祖坟点在正穴位上，此龙结的乃是左单提穴，只有左方有青龙砂没有右白虎砂。但右方有一护龙一路环护捲案至前方形成案山和朝山
如果从墓穴正前方看去，案山为一武曲金星，案山后的朝山神似一个元宝形的官帽砂。此穴明堂开阔左青龙砂和右护砂挠案至明堂，形成一环护藏风聚气的堂局，气派万千，但此穴只发官贵，不发豪富，因为明堂内并无真水。
在理气上，此穴是三合派的造葬手法，合乙丙交而趨戌火局，坐卯向酉（坐東向西），堂局水口出戌墓库水，来龙辰，水口戌合玄空六法八运，雌雄挨星合十，另外也符合龙门八局水法和九星，辅卦等水法，但此墓的内堂造墓出水口在坤方为一错误的人造出水口，不吉，另外青龙砂合赖布衣先师所创的廿八宿催官拨砂法。
此墓的来龙，结穴，青龙砂，合催官拨砂法，向，案山，朝山（形似官帽砂）父母靠山为一圆顶贪狼星主出高官贵人，来龙入首辰当运，水法出戌八运当令，故无怪八運（1996年后）会孕育出黄家兄弟一门二傑，出二个一品高官（联邦正部长）。
但可惜的是其来龙只是约三公里远，龙气太短，故官运不太长，但黄家定曾做马华总会长，当朝华裔官职最高，兄长家泉官拜联邦房屋及地方政府部长，黄家可说光宗耀祖，此生无憾矣！
Thursday, March 12, 2009
奇门旺字研习课程招生Qi Men Number Prediction Course on March 22, 2009 Hotel Malaya, KL
http://fourpillars.ning.com/xn/detail/2009190:Event:18419
We will be conducting Qi Men Number Prediction Course on March 22, 2009 at Hotel Malaya, Kuala Lumpur, from 10 am to 6 pm.
Enrollment and registration starts today. Please book your seats early because we are taking 50 students only. We have prepared notes, seats, foods and coffee for confirmed booking. The Course is conducted in Mandarin.
Kindly call KC 012-6597910 to book your seat. We have also put one this announcement in international forum. You can check: http://fourpillars.ning.com/xn/detail/2009190:Event:18419
奇门旺字研习课程招生
(吉隆坡讯) 为了倡导正统的易经应用之学，SCS易经河洛理数研究中心特开办为期一天的奇门遁甲旺字研习课程，谨订于今年3月22日(星期日) 10:00am-6:00pm，在吉隆坡马来亚大酒店正式开课。
香港著名风水运程大师李丞责师傅曾说过：“奇门遁甲是风水中的高级应用窍门。”据道教传说，九天玄女曾将三式的兵法窍诀传给轩辕黄帝，而奇门遁甲正是三式之首，余者包括大六壬和太乙神数。是故，道门有言：“三式合一，灵验如神。”
本次研习课程特邀请来自东马的数术界后起之秀陈治玮师傅負者責教導。自龙一大师出版《奇门遁甲致富秘笈》一书后，陈师傅精研书中奥义，从中领悟出独到而实用的旺字致富心法要诀。陈治玮师傅有許多中三甲的經歷可以分享及報料。
学习内容丰富，涵盖奇门遁甲基本认知、奇门九宫求财法、万能及多多正字系統实战经验分享、如何利用流年紫白飛星、月星、日星、時星預測財運，聚宝盆49天炼制法。
這是陈治玮师傅第二次從東馬前來，因爲去年尾第一班開課時是爆滿，許多學員都有收穫，因此，要求繼續主辦，陈治玮师傅會與讀者分享他最近發現的三甲測字新系統。
有兴趣参与上述课程者，请联络秘书处：016-6078299，012-6597910。全程学费只收RM380，学员可获得的教材包括：讲义、一個午餐及一個茶點，把握机会，报名从速！更多詳情，請上網查詢http://secretofnumbers.blogspot.com/
We will be conducting Qi Men Number Prediction Course on March 22, 2009 at Hotel Malaya, Kuala Lumpur, from 10 am to 6 pm.
Enrollment and registration starts today. Please book your seats early because we are taking 50 students only. We have prepared notes, seats, foods and coffee for confirmed booking. The Course is conducted in Mandarin.
Kindly call KC 012-6597910 to book your seat. We have also put one this announcement in international forum. You can check: http://fourpillars.ning.com/xn/detail/2009190:Event:18419
奇门旺字研习课程招生
(吉隆坡讯) 为了倡导正统的易经应用之学，SCS易经河洛理数研究中心特开办为期一天的奇门遁甲旺字研习课程，谨订于今年3月22日(星期日) 10:00am-6:00pm，在吉隆坡马来亚大酒店正式开课。
香港著名风水运程大师李丞责师傅曾说过：“奇门遁甲是风水中的高级应用窍门。”据道教传说，九天玄女曾将三式的兵法窍诀传给轩辕黄帝，而奇门遁甲正是三式之首，余者包括大六壬和太乙神数。是故，道门有言：“三式合一，灵验如神。”
本次研习课程特邀请来自东马的数术界后起之秀陈治玮师傅負者責教導。自龙一大师出版《奇门遁甲致富秘笈》一书后，陈师傅精研书中奥义，从中领悟出独到而实用的旺字致富心法要诀。陈治玮师傅有許多中三甲的經歷可以分享及報料。
学习内容丰富，涵盖奇门遁甲基本认知、奇门九宫求财法、万能及多多正字系統实战经验分享、如何利用流年紫白飛星、月星、日星、時星預測財運，聚宝盆49天炼制法。
這是陈治玮师傅第二次從東馬前來，因爲去年尾第一班開課時是爆滿，許多學員都有收穫，因此，要求繼續主辦，陈治玮师傅會與讀者分享他最近發現的三甲測字新系統。
有兴趣参与上述课程者，请联络秘书处：016-6078299，012-6597910。全程学费只收RM380，学员可获得的教材包括：讲义、一個午餐及一個茶點，把握机会，报名从速！更多詳情，請上網查詢http://secretofnumbers.blogspot.com/
Saturday, March 7, 2009
KC Goh participated in the International forum talked about four pillars
KC Goh participated in an international feng shui and four pillars’ forum and is an active participant for this forum.
This is a very interesting forum with feng shui masters from all over the world.
Your can go to this website to find out for yourself:
http://fourpillars.ning.com/profile/DespinaAntypa
This is from Despina:
The attached chart is one of a friend of mine who intends to get a divorce. At the moment she is separated. According to my analysis, there is no divorce (because) there is no a clash with the spouse palace, and there is no a branch clash on the 10-cycle Luck years 36-45.The only clash is between the heavenly stems Bing fire on the main Chart with Ren water in the cycle pillar 36-45. However, fire to her is the resource element (and) not the influence Direct Officer the husband element.
Could you please tell if there is something that I have not noticed?
Thank you
Despina
(She is a feng shui master from Greece. She has learned from Joey Yap and Joseph Yu)
This is from Danny.
Hi Despina,
There need not always be a clash to have a divorce.
(Also the clash may be seen in the husband's chart only)
This is a weak Earth DM, so the Monkey marriage palace is not favorable to her.
The Metal drains her.
Such a person can divorce any moment, with or without clash.
This year brings strong Earth with the Earth Ox, so now she feels strong enough to leave the husband.
She may have felt tired of the relationship for a while already.
Danny
This is from Annie Pecheva
Hi Despina,
In Wu shen (Earth Monkey) day pillar there is a very rare and specific symbolic star, which is not very favorable for marriage and gives problems in the relations. I translate the name of this star as "Unhappy marriage", it's very rare... Well, this star is not so strong in her chart (but it was activated during the 36-45 Ren Shen Water Monkey 10-year phase). It also can suggests that she has a very strong inner personality and unseen influence, even in health matters, onto the others (this is different from the notion of weak DM). As you and Danny pointed out, her weak DM, the particular situation in her chart and the start of the new 10-year phase all give some hints for divorse. It also depends on her husband and her own inner level of consciousness.
Annie
(An Expert in four pillars and I Ching. She has studied in Beijing University, therefore, she can speaks mandarin. She also speaks English, Russian, and Bulgarian. She is from Sofia, Bulgaria.)
This is from Despina Tsobani
Thank you Danny, that's a really nice forum with nice people. It's amazing how quickly you respond
Despina
This is from this blogger: KC Goh (吳繼宗)
Despina,
姓名：Stavroula 今年虚岁：46岁
性别：女
阳历：1964年12月25日19时29分 阴历：甲辰年(佛灯火)十一月廿二日戌时
偏官 偏印 日元 偏财
坤造：甲辰 丙子 戊申 壬戌 (寅卯空)
乙正官 癸正财 戊比肩 辛伤官
癸正财 壬偏财 丁正印
戊比肩 庚食神 戊比肩
神煞：太极贵人 将星 福星贵人 太极贵人
华盖 太极贵人 文昌贵人 国印贵人
金舆贵人 福星贵人 月德贵人
大雪：公历1964年12月7日9时53分 小寒：公历1965年1月5日21时2分
起运：命主于出生后6年1个月又18天0小时起运
交运：命主于公历1971年2月12日19时交运
正官 偏官 正财 偏财 伤官 食神 劫财 比肩
大运：乙亥 甲戌 癸酉 壬申 辛未 庚午 己巳 戊辰
07岁 17岁 27岁 37岁 47岁 57岁 67岁 77岁
始于：1971 1981 1991 2001 2011 2021 2031 2041
流年：辛亥 辛酉 辛未 辛巳 辛卯 辛丑 辛亥 辛酉
壬子 壬戌 壬申 壬午 壬辰 壬寅 壬子 壬戌
癸丑 癸亥 癸酉 癸未 癸巳 癸卯 癸丑 癸亥
甲寅 甲子 甲戌 甲申 甲午 甲辰 甲寅 甲子
乙卯 乙丑 乙亥 乙酉 乙未 乙巳 乙卯 乙丑
丙辰 丙寅 丙子 丙戌 丙申 丙午 丙辰 丙寅
丁巳 丁卯 丁丑 丁亥 丁酉 丁未 丁巳 丁卯
戊午 戊辰 戊寅 戊子 戊戌 戊申 戊午 戊辰
己未 己巳 己卯 己丑 己亥 己酉 己未 己巳
庚申 庚午 庚辰 庚寅 庚子 庚戌 庚申 庚午
止于：1980 1990 2000 2010 2020 2030 2040 2050
Although Monkey is in her marriage palace, however, the one represents Stavroula’s husband is Jia(甲代表偏官or 七殺)(in her year branch) or her husband star. She is born in December where water element is strong, especially when the Monkey, Rat and Dragon combined will form the water frame or Shui Ju （水局） 。 When water is strong, the wood will be floating, meaning the husband will like to move around and would not want to stay at home. It also means that there is a major defect in the inherent husband and wife relationship. It is born like that. She has to try very hard to maintain the relationship. If water is strong, wood will be floating, you will require earth to hold the wood so that it will not float away.
Her day master is earth. From age 17 （Chinese age, add one more year, refer to my chart—your chart and my chart is a little bit different）to age 26, she and her husband’s relation is good because there is earth element in that 10-cycle luck. You did not say when was she married?
From age 27 to age 36, the relationship turned bad because metal and water started to come into the picture. She is already a strong water element person, metal and water in this 10-cycle luck will make her relationship bad.
From age 37 to age 46, the relationship deteriorated because Ren is ocean water, very strong. She will likely be divorced in 2010 because that is a metal tiger year. The metal will even make her water pool stronger, the most important thing is the tiger will clash with the monkey in her marriage palace making her marriage come to an end or there may be other eventuality.
Stavroula should be very rich because she can make easy money, maybe strike a lottery very often or the money just come quite easily, one after another because she has got strong water element which is her easy money element(壬代表偏财）.
If she is doing business, she should be doing business like entertainment, pub business, business that are considered not conventional.
Well, Despina, do you think my reading makes sense?
Regards,
KC
This is the reply from Despina Tsobani
Hi KC,
Yes, Good Analysis. To be honest I did not think of the year of 2010. I had concentrated in 2009,and 10-year cycle 36-45 to find a clash. I simply did not realise that next year she is changing her decade Thank you.
Next year 2010 may be the year of her divorce, I completely agree, there IS a clash with her Spouse Palace. Because as I am strongly persuaded that all important matters of our life are depicted on our Birth chart I was looking for a Clash and voila there is one !!!!!
As for how rich she is, well not rich, and there is an explanation to that I think. Her wealth star water is strong but as she is a weak (trapped) WU Earth Day Master she can not control her wealth Star.Well she makes her living But I would not consider her very rich. She would be very rich If she were a strong DM.
And the three harmony combination on her birth Chart in the water frame, indeed has caused her a great mental uneasiness all these years with the wrong decisions about crucial issues in her life. Because water represents our thoughts and brains as well. This is because water element is an unfavourable element to her.
Thank KC Very Much
Despina
This is from KC Goh(吳繼宗)
Despina,
Thank you for your feedback.
Regards,
KC
This is a very interesting forum with feng shui masters from all over the world.
Your can go to this website to find out for yourself:
http://fourpillars.ning.com/profile/DespinaAntypa
This is from Despina:
The attached chart is one of a friend of mine who intends to get a divorce. At the moment she is separated. According to my analysis, there is no divorce (because) there is no a clash with the spouse palace, and there is no a branch clash on the 10-cycle Luck years 36-45.The only clash is between the heavenly stems Bing fire on the main Chart with Ren water in the cycle pillar 36-45. However, fire to her is the resource element (and) not the influence Direct Officer the husband element.
Could you please tell if there is something that I have not noticed?
Thank you
Despina
(She is a feng shui master from Greece. She has learned from Joey Yap and Joseph Yu)
This is from Danny.
Hi Despina,
There need not always be a clash to have a divorce.
(Also the clash may be seen in the husband's chart only)
This is a weak Earth DM, so the Monkey marriage palace is not favorable to her.
The Metal drains her.
Such a person can divorce any moment, with or without clash.
This year brings strong Earth with the Earth Ox, so now she feels strong enough to leave the husband.
She may have felt tired of the relationship for a while already.
Danny
This is from Annie Pecheva
Hi Despina,
In Wu shen (Earth Monkey) day pillar there is a very rare and specific symbolic star, which is not very favorable for marriage and gives problems in the relations. I translate the name of this star as "Unhappy marriage", it's very rare... Well, this star is not so strong in her chart (but it was activated during the 36-45 Ren Shen Water Monkey 10-year phase). It also can suggests that she has a very strong inner personality and unseen influence, even in health matters, onto the others (this is different from the notion of weak DM). As you and Danny pointed out, her weak DM, the particular situation in her chart and the start of the new 10-year phase all give some hints for divorse. It also depends on her husband and her own inner level of consciousness.
Annie
(An Expert in four pillars and I Ching. She has studied in Beijing University, therefore, she can speaks mandarin. She also speaks English, Russian, and Bulgarian. She is from Sofia, Bulgaria.)
This is from Despina Tsobani
Thank you Danny, that's a really nice forum with nice people. It's amazing how quickly you respond
Despina
This is from this blogger: KC Goh (吳繼宗)
Despina,
姓名：Stavroula 今年虚岁：46岁
性别：女
阳历：1964年12月25日19时29分 阴历：甲辰年(佛灯火)十一月廿二日戌时
偏官 偏印 日元 偏财
坤造：甲辰 丙子 戊申 壬戌 (寅卯空)
乙正官 癸正财 戊比肩 辛伤官
癸正财 壬偏财 丁正印
戊比肩 庚食神 戊比肩
神煞：太极贵人 将星 福星贵人 太极贵人
华盖 太极贵人 文昌贵人 国印贵人
金舆贵人 福星贵人 月德贵人
大雪：公历1964年12月7日9时53分 小寒：公历1965年1月5日21时2分
起运：命主于出生后6年1个月又18天0小时起运
交运：命主于公历1971年2月12日19时交运
正官 偏官 正财 偏财 伤官 食神 劫财 比肩
大运：乙亥 甲戌 癸酉 壬申 辛未 庚午 己巳 戊辰
07岁 17岁 27岁 37岁 47岁 57岁 67岁 77岁
始于：1971 1981 1991 2001 2011 2021 2031 2041
流年：辛亥 辛酉 辛未 辛巳 辛卯 辛丑 辛亥 辛酉
壬子 壬戌 壬申 壬午 壬辰 壬寅 壬子 壬戌
癸丑 癸亥 癸酉 癸未 癸巳 癸卯 癸丑 癸亥
甲寅 甲子 甲戌 甲申 甲午 甲辰 甲寅 甲子
乙卯 乙丑 乙亥 乙酉 乙未 乙巳 乙卯 乙丑
丙辰 丙寅 丙子 丙戌 丙申 丙午 丙辰 丙寅
丁巳 丁卯 丁丑 丁亥 丁酉 丁未 丁巳 丁卯
戊午 戊辰 戊寅 戊子 戊戌 戊申 戊午 戊辰
己未 己巳 己卯 己丑 己亥 己酉 己未 己巳
庚申 庚午 庚辰 庚寅 庚子 庚戌 庚申 庚午
止于：1980 1990 2000 2010 2020 2030 2040 2050
Although Monkey is in her marriage palace, however, the one represents Stavroula’s husband is Jia(甲代表偏官or 七殺)(in her year branch) or her husband star. She is born in December where water element is strong, especially when the Monkey, Rat and Dragon combined will form the water frame or Shui Ju （水局） 。 When water is strong, the wood will be floating, meaning the husband will like to move around and would not want to stay at home. It also means that there is a major defect in the inherent husband and wife relationship. It is born like that. She has to try very hard to maintain the relationship. If water is strong, wood will be floating, you will require earth to hold the wood so that it will not float away.
Her day master is earth. From age 17 （Chinese age, add one more year, refer to my chart—your chart and my chart is a little bit different）to age 26, she and her husband’s relation is good because there is earth element in that 10-cycle luck. You did not say when was she married?
From age 27 to age 36, the relationship turned bad because metal and water started to come into the picture. She is already a strong water element person, metal and water in this 10-cycle luck will make her relationship bad.
From age 37 to age 46, the relationship deteriorated because Ren is ocean water, very strong. She will likely be divorced in 2010 because that is a metal tiger year. The metal will even make her water pool stronger, the most important thing is the tiger will clash with the monkey in her marriage palace making her marriage come to an end or there may be other eventuality.
Stavroula should be very rich because she can make easy money, maybe strike a lottery very often or the money just come quite easily, one after another because she has got strong water element which is her easy money element(壬代表偏财）.
If she is doing business, she should be doing business like entertainment, pub business, business that are considered not conventional.
Well, Despina, do you think my reading makes sense?
Regards,
KC
This is the reply from Despina Tsobani
Hi KC,
Yes, Good Analysis. To be honest I did not think of the year of 2010. I had concentrated in 2009,and 10-year cycle 36-45 to find a clash. I simply did not realise that next year she is changing her decade Thank you.
Next year 2010 may be the year of her divorce, I completely agree, there IS a clash with her Spouse Palace. Because as I am strongly persuaded that all important matters of our life are depicted on our Birth chart I was looking for a Clash and voila there is one !!!!!
As for how rich she is, well not rich, and there is an explanation to that I think. Her wealth star water is strong but as she is a weak (trapped) WU Earth Day Master she can not control her wealth Star.Well she makes her living But I would not consider her very rich. She would be very rich If she were a strong DM.
And the three harmony combination on her birth Chart in the water frame, indeed has caused her a great mental uneasiness all these years with the wrong decisions about crucial issues in her life. Because water represents our thoughts and brains as well. This is because water element is an unfavourable element to her.
Thank KC Very Much
Despina
This is from KC Goh(吳繼宗)
Despina,
Thank you for your feedback.
Regards,
KC
Monday, March 2, 2009
Most interesting debate on Wen Wang Gua--a debate between the West and the East
Danny posted a very long message which was a bit difficult for a slow English reader like myself to comprehend. The worse thing was KC put my name on his reply by saying if I want to add anything. This makes me exposed and felt obliged to reply.
The reading of the hexagram took less time than reading the posting. Let me post a diagram and see if it benefits the discussion.
The casting is about tennis match, is about two people competing, as in combat. One interesting thing in making prediction of combat in WWG is that you have to figure out which line represents the home team and which line represents the guest team. For example, China team playing in China is obviously the home team, while playing outside of China is then the guest team. However, what if an Englishman wants to predict whether a German or a French is going to win, we will certainly have a hard time to figure out which is which. Trust me, if the quest is not specific enough, it would be quite difficult in doing the deciphering.
I don't know who originally made this casting and what had he in mind regarding the quest at the time. WWG can be very specific if only your quest is specific. I can only assume Hewitt is the home team as he is an Australian playing in his own country. That's make him the Subject Line 世爻, whereas his Opponent wil be the Object Line 應爻. Take note that both the Subject Line and the Object Line are not active, so it would have to see who gets more and better support and who is the strongest.
Mountain-Earth Bo 山地剝 is the 5th Alternate of the Chamber of Qian, Zi 子 the Child of Flying Serpent holds the Subject Line and Si 巳 the Officer of Azure Dragon hold the Object Line. Officer is defined as the one who devitalizes us, so it represents the enemy's troop. Wishfully we do not want to be defeated, so Child who devitalizes the Officer will be our troop.
In this castnig, it just happens that the Subject Line is holding the Child whereas the Object Line is holding the Officer. It indicates that it is an individual match rather than a team match. Zi is in the stage of Death while Si is in the stage of Rest when the seasonal strengths (according to the Month of Chou) has to be taken into consideration. They are both considered weak, however Rest is of better status when comparing to Death.
When reading a hexagram, we channel our attention primarily to those which are active, especially to examine if the Changed Line has any positive or negative effect onto its own Active Line. In this casting, both the Changed Lines, taking the advantage of being vitalized by the Day, are devitalizing their own Active Lines which virtually make the Active Lines become effectiveless, not to mention they are the Neutralized (people refers to void) during the Ten-Day Period of the day of casting.
During the day of Chou 丑, the Initial Line of Wei 未 the Parent becomes Aggressive Inactive, it's certainly posed a threat to the Subject Line. However, fortunately that the Invisible Line of Shen 申 the Sibling is active and turns the devitalization energy from Wei 未 into vitalizing the Subject Line. This would reflect on the spectators' expectation and wishful thinking. Once in a long while that an Australian could win in his own turf.
In the day of matching, it is the day of Jia-Yin 甲寅 and there the tide changed. Yin 寅 and Mao 卯 are no longer neutralized. The Uppermost Line of Yin 寅 the Asset becomes the Day Master, its Changed Line of You 酉 the Sibling can no longer pose any effect onto Yin 寅. Yin is free to pose its effect onto any other Lines especially being the Opposite of the only support of the Subject Line, the Invisible Shen 申. And worst, vitalizing the Object Line of Si 巳 the Officer. On the other hand, the Day Master of Yin 寅 also being the opposite of the Changed Line of Shen 申 in the 3rd Line, the result of which is to free Mao 卯 from being devitalized. Mao 卯 is then vitalizinig the Object Line. It is a clear indication that Safin (the Object Line) will win.
Note that the time of match has not been used.
A completed rule books of WWG was published during the Qing Dynasty, but it was a collective ideas and wisdoms since WWG was first matured during the Song Dynasty. It was written based upon the ancient social structure and protocols. As the world is evolving, we have offer it new meanings. The problem is not that it is an old book, the problem is the one who is using it.
Regards,
Jack
Reply by Anna 17 hours ago
Shifu, no wonder I couldn't explain it last night, I followed what was written in the first post, Safin as subject and Hewitt as object. I was wondering where Safin was from.
Thank you for explaining it so thorough as you always do.
Reply by KC Goh(吳繼宗) 15 hours ago
Jack and Danny,
It seems that different sifus have different opinion. Note that Danny interprets Safin as the subject line whereas Jack says Safin is the object line.
As Jack has put it, if an Englishman wants to predict whether a German or a French is going to win, he will certainly have a hard time to figure out whether German is the subject line or object line.
As Danny has said some people use subject to be the diviner and then object represents the market.
But some also said if you are doing divination for other person, the other person will become object line and the market will become subject line.
Jack, can you address the question of predicting the stock market? Whether it can be used in your opinion?
Jack, You are quite thorough in your interpretation because you also consider the other things like the child of flying serpent and azure dragon. many books actually did not talk about this. You also consider the seasonal strengths. There are so many things to consider making the interpretation of wen wang gua not an easy task.
Jack, I notice many people did not use the time when casting the gua. Do you know the reason?
Jack, I got another question for you. I normally use opening week composite index to add up and divide by 8 and the balance will form the upper gua. Then I would use the closing week composite index(CI) of the stock market to add up and divide by 8 and the balance will form the lower gua. For example, the opening week CI of the Malaysian stock market is 887.40 and Friday closing CI is 890.67. I used Friday(Feb 27, 2009) 5.01 pm as the casting time to form the gua as Fire-water wei ji is the 3rd alternate of the chamber of Li, changed 3rd line to become Fire-Wind, second alternate of the chamber of Li. This is to predict this week's market performance. What is your interpretation for this gua listed as follow? This week will mean Mar 2, Mar 3, Mar 4, Mar 5, Mar 6.
起卦方式：手工指定
公历时间：2009年2月27日17时1分 星期五
农历时间：己丑年二月初三酉时
干支：己丑年 丙寅月 癸卯日 辛酉时 (旬空：辰巳)
神煞：驿马—巳 桃花—子 日禄—子 贵人—卯，巳
离宫：火水未济 离宫：火风鼎
六神 伏 神 【本 卦】 【变 卦】
白虎 ▅▅▅▅▅ 兄弟己巳火 应 ▅▅▅▅▅ 兄弟己巳火
螣蛇 ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙己未土 ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙己未土 应
勾陈 ▅▅▅▅▅ 妻财己酉金 ▅▅▅▅▅ 妻财己酉金
朱雀官鬼己亥水▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟戊午火 世×→ ▅▅▅▅▅ 妻财辛酉金
青龙 ▅▅▅▅▅ 子孙戊辰土 ▅▅▅▅▅ 官鬼辛亥水 世
玄武 ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母戊寅木 ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙辛丑土
Danny, would you also care to express your opinion for the above gua?
Reply by Danny VdB 10 hours ago
Hi all,
The decision to use Safin as Subject was already made before the coins were thrown.
Most tennis matches do not have any home player, so that's not a criterion that can be used for all tennis games.
The same is with football world championships, all but one country are playing away from home, so in most matches there is no real home team.
That's why I always use the first name that is listed as the Subject, the second name is the Object.
Since the match was officially listed as Safin-Hewitt it means Safin was Subject.
If the match had been announced as Hewitt-Safin, then Hewitt would have been considered Subject in the reading.
This is an approach that can be consistently used through all games.
There is certain system used in tennis that decides who is listed first or second, I believe it has to do with where the player was in the draw, but we needn't discuss that here.
Anyway, this is how I do it for all tennis and football predictions.
***
After the facts when result is known, then it is always easy to find alternative interpretations and reasons why playerA has won, or why playerB has lost.
We all know that I Ching and WWG is very flexible.
If Hewitt had won the match we would probably find reasons in the reading why he won..
That's always the case.
The job is to read it before the match gets underway. My reading was done and published before the match.
Jack's analysis looks "pulled by the hairs" to me, and I am not sure what point he was trying to make here.
KC had asked if Hour can be used, and I told him we had done some experiments with it. He asked for an example, and I gave him.
Now, Jack seems to be trying to prove that Hour is not needed as his message concludes with "Note that the time of match has not been used."
But, nobody has said that Hour is "needed", of course we can still do readings without using the Hour.
All that was said is Hour "can" be used to get extra details as in this example.
We can read WWG in any way we want, but if we don't consider the Hour then there is no possibility to see that Hewitt will have much better start and Safin will only find the winning ways after the Pig Hour arrives.
One thing I found rather odd:
">In this casting, it just happens that the Subject Line is holding the Child whereas the Object Line is holding the Officer. It indicates that it is an individual match rather than a team match."
I think this makes no sense.
We could get this very same hexagram reading just as well for a football match or other team sport.
I have seen many team sport readings where the teams were given by Child and Officer lines.
About 4% of all readings will have Child and Officer as Subject and Object.
So how on earth does it indicate that it is an individual match rather than team match?
I don't see the logic.
Danny
Reply by Danny VdB 9 hours ago
Hi KC,
>Danny, would you also care to express your opinion for the above gua?
As far as I can see, this way of getting the hexagram by divide by 8 method is a flawed method for stock markets.
It is not difficult to see why.
For example we know that stock markets in the same region have a strong correlation.
If Germany goes down 2%, then you can be pretty sure France and Italy are also down that day.
It is no different in Asia, if Tokyo and Hong Kong are falling, then probably Malaysia stocks will also be down that day.
Some countries have more than one Index. In the US we have Dow Jones, Nasdaq, S&P,...
It is no secret that 90% of the time these indices go up or down together.
But of course each of these indices closes with very different numbers on Friday.
So, if we use your divide by 8 method based on Friday's closing price for each Index, then we will inevitably get different results for all exchanges and indices.
We will get very different results and predictions, depending on which index we used.
This proves the method is false, because we know from history that most world markets move in high correlation.
Danny
PS: It is no need to repeat the no offense topic all the time.
This is an international network and we assume that people who join and participate have the maturity not to feel attacked as soon as somebody disagrees with them.
Everyone has equal space to bring his arguments on the table and that's it.
Reply by Jack Chiu 7 hours ago
People may decipher WWG in their own way, but WWG by itself has its own interpretation rules. This is the reason why it can be repeatable, rather than being randomly picked and used. We can be flexible in the way of interpreting the event as circumstance may different, but it has to be explainable by the rules. Like gravitational force to apple. This is the scientific part of WWG. I guess this is the point I want to make.
Regardless of whether it is after-the-fact, the deciphering will be the same. I have done many deciphering, most of them on the fly, and am persistently using those rules. I have launched a complete interpretation of the rule book, one of my publications in applications of Yi-jing, and was largely received by WWG and Yi-jing lovers. I would have received criticism regarding my interpretation of the rules already, if there is any. I offer my reading to this case as academic study for those who found it meaningful and would accept those who may has different opinion, otherwise i will not be responding at the first place.
Regards,
Jack
Reply by KC Goh(吳繼宗) 5 hours ago
Jack,
I can see you probably are responding to Danny's comments. I hope you would still respond to the question I raised in the discussion.
I would invite other ww gua lovers to join in the discussion, people like Harmen Mesker and Nathalie Mourier.
Regards,
KC
Reply by Danny VdB 4 hours ago
Hi Jack,
>People may decipher WWG in their own way, but WWG by itself has its own interpretation rules.
I guess that's where we differ.
There are rules for calculation, and on that point WWG is pretty clear and rigid.
We both are not doing anything different when we calculate Gua Shen, or the timeliness of the lines, etcetera..
That's also why a computer can do that part of the job, because it is rigid mathematics.
But there are no "rules" for interpretation, at the most there is something like "guidelines" for interpretation.
Guidelines are more flexible than rules.
If there were rigid rules for interpretation, then it would not be interpretation, then it would also be part of calculation.
So, this is where schools and people differ : in their way of interpreting the various factors that are calculated in WWG.
For that the rules are not fixed and rigid.
If they were, then a computer would give us the complete interpretation as well, then an astrologer would not be needed.
The calculation part is easily repeatable, but the interpretation part is not.
That doesn't mean the interpretation is random.
Interpretation consists of judgement calls made by the astrologer, that's where he uses his experience.
Usually in a reading not all fingers are pointing in the same direction.
Some factors may favor the Subject line, some factors give advantage to Object, changing lines come in, etcetera.
Then the outcome is not written in stone.
The astrologer makes a judgement call as to which factors will gain the upper hand and shift the balance in one way or the other.
Sometimes it will be a very small detail that makes the difference.
Next the reality proves his judgement right or wrong.
It is in this part that after-the-fact is a lot more easy than before the fact.
The calculation part is the same, but the interpretation is a lot more easy when we know already what was the outcome.
If you don't believe me then you are welcome to post before-the-fact reading about tennis, stock market or whatever you want.
Next I will give my interpretations at the end of the market week or after the match is played.
***
Anyway, the real topic of this thread was about using the Hour in WWG.
So far all your comments have done everything except address KC's question, and I start wondering why.
Why don't you just tell KC that you are not in favor of using Hour, or that you think it is unnecessary, or that you have not experimented with it...
All would be perfectly OK answers..
I guess KC just hopes to use Hour for his stock market work.
We are not in China here. It is allowed to give straight answers to straight questions.
Danny
Reply by Jack Chiu 2 hours ago
Danny,
Why does it have to do with China, I don't get it. Perhaps I should learn a bit more western culture before I join this network. One thing I do learn from my limited international experience with over 30 years of business experience in high tech industry with US is that I don't put words in other's mouth and I respect people even business competitors.
Anyway, one thing I guess you are right is that you have different interprettion of the rules, and what you think it is for calculation. I may not exactly know what you are referring to. I may perhpas choose the wrong English word "rule" as it is from your standpoint referring to something rigid. Well, they are in fact quite rigid in order to maintain repeatability. The rules I am referring to is the interaction between lines and i don't think you will be able to calculate. Without these rules, it would be like a hitch hunch and that's why lots of talented and educated people are getting stuck.
The usage of Hour was not registered in WWG. As time evolves, people are tryinig to figure the meaning of Hour in WWG. I am not a big fan of Hour in WWG, but my research makes me an open-minded person as to whether the usage makes sense or not. I use my way of interpretation and highlight to KC that hour was not used. I didn't comment much on it. It is up to KC to search for the answer. In a subtle way, I am answering KC.
As I pointed out, regardless of whether it is after-the-fact, the decipherinig using the interpretation "rules" will be the same because it is repeatable.
I have offer my due service as a member to offer different opinion, now I will excuse myself from the topic.
Regards,
Jack
Reply by KC Goh(吳繼宗) 23 minutes ago
Danny and Jack,
I can feel the heat. Thank you for answering. I am sure many have benefited from the academic debate if they are interested in wwgua.
Regards,
KC
The reading of the hexagram took less time than reading the posting. Let me post a diagram and see if it benefits the discussion.
The casting is about tennis match, is about two people competing, as in combat. One interesting thing in making prediction of combat in WWG is that you have to figure out which line represents the home team and which line represents the guest team. For example, China team playing in China is obviously the home team, while playing outside of China is then the guest team. However, what if an Englishman wants to predict whether a German or a French is going to win, we will certainly have a hard time to figure out which is which. Trust me, if the quest is not specific enough, it would be quite difficult in doing the deciphering.
I don't know who originally made this casting and what had he in mind regarding the quest at the time. WWG can be very specific if only your quest is specific. I can only assume Hewitt is the home team as he is an Australian playing in his own country. That's make him the Subject Line 世爻, whereas his Opponent wil be the Object Line 應爻. Take note that both the Subject Line and the Object Line are not active, so it would have to see who gets more and better support and who is the strongest.
Mountain-Earth Bo 山地剝 is the 5th Alternate of the Chamber of Qian, Zi 子 the Child of Flying Serpent holds the Subject Line and Si 巳 the Officer of Azure Dragon hold the Object Line. Officer is defined as the one who devitalizes us, so it represents the enemy's troop. Wishfully we do not want to be defeated, so Child who devitalizes the Officer will be our troop.
In this castnig, it just happens that the Subject Line is holding the Child whereas the Object Line is holding the Officer. It indicates that it is an individual match rather than a team match. Zi is in the stage of Death while Si is in the stage of Rest when the seasonal strengths (according to the Month of Chou) has to be taken into consideration. They are both considered weak, however Rest is of better status when comparing to Death.
When reading a hexagram, we channel our attention primarily to those which are active, especially to examine if the Changed Line has any positive or negative effect onto its own Active Line. In this casting, both the Changed Lines, taking the advantage of being vitalized by the Day, are devitalizing their own Active Lines which virtually make the Active Lines become effectiveless, not to mention they are the Neutralized (people refers to void) during the Ten-Day Period of the day of casting.
During the day of Chou 丑, the Initial Line of Wei 未 the Parent becomes Aggressive Inactive, it's certainly posed a threat to the Subject Line. However, fortunately that the Invisible Line of Shen 申 the Sibling is active and turns the devitalization energy from Wei 未 into vitalizing the Subject Line. This would reflect on the spectators' expectation and wishful thinking. Once in a long while that an Australian could win in his own turf.
In the day of matching, it is the day of Jia-Yin 甲寅 and there the tide changed. Yin 寅 and Mao 卯 are no longer neutralized. The Uppermost Line of Yin 寅 the Asset becomes the Day Master, its Changed Line of You 酉 the Sibling can no longer pose any effect onto Yin 寅. Yin is free to pose its effect onto any other Lines especially being the Opposite of the only support of the Subject Line, the Invisible Shen 申. And worst, vitalizing the Object Line of Si 巳 the Officer. On the other hand, the Day Master of Yin 寅 also being the opposite of the Changed Line of Shen 申 in the 3rd Line, the result of which is to free Mao 卯 from being devitalized. Mao 卯 is then vitalizinig the Object Line. It is a clear indication that Safin (the Object Line) will win.
Note that the time of match has not been used.
A completed rule books of WWG was published during the Qing Dynasty, but it was a collective ideas and wisdoms since WWG was first matured during the Song Dynasty. It was written based upon the ancient social structure and protocols. As the world is evolving, we have offer it new meanings. The problem is not that it is an old book, the problem is the one who is using it.
Regards,
Jack
Reply by Anna 17 hours ago
Shifu, no wonder I couldn't explain it last night, I followed what was written in the first post, Safin as subject and Hewitt as object. I was wondering where Safin was from.
Thank you for explaining it so thorough as you always do.
Reply by KC Goh(吳繼宗) 15 hours ago
Jack and Danny,
It seems that different sifus have different opinion. Note that Danny interprets Safin as the subject line whereas Jack says Safin is the object line.
As Jack has put it, if an Englishman wants to predict whether a German or a French is going to win, he will certainly have a hard time to figure out whether German is the subject line or object line.
As Danny has said some people use subject to be the diviner and then object represents the market.
But some also said if you are doing divination for other person, the other person will become object line and the market will become subject line.
Jack, can you address the question of predicting the stock market? Whether it can be used in your opinion?
Jack, You are quite thorough in your interpretation because you also consider the other things like the child of flying serpent and azure dragon. many books actually did not talk about this. You also consider the seasonal strengths. There are so many things to consider making the interpretation of wen wang gua not an easy task.
Jack, I notice many people did not use the time when casting the gua. Do you know the reason?
Jack, I got another question for you. I normally use opening week composite index to add up and divide by 8 and the balance will form the upper gua. Then I would use the closing week composite index(CI) of the stock market to add up and divide by 8 and the balance will form the lower gua. For example, the opening week CI of the Malaysian stock market is 887.40 and Friday closing CI is 890.67. I used Friday(Feb 27, 2009) 5.01 pm as the casting time to form the gua as Fire-water wei ji is the 3rd alternate of the chamber of Li, changed 3rd line to become Fire-Wind, second alternate of the chamber of Li. This is to predict this week's market performance. What is your interpretation for this gua listed as follow? This week will mean Mar 2, Mar 3, Mar 4, Mar 5, Mar 6.
起卦方式：手工指定
公历时间：2009年2月27日17时1分 星期五
农历时间：己丑年二月初三酉时
干支：己丑年 丙寅月 癸卯日 辛酉时 (旬空：辰巳)
神煞：驿马—巳 桃花—子 日禄—子 贵人—卯，巳
离宫：火水未济 离宫：火风鼎
六神 伏 神 【本 卦】 【变 卦】
白虎 ▅▅▅▅▅ 兄弟己巳火 应 ▅▅▅▅▅ 兄弟己巳火
螣蛇 ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙己未土 ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙己未土 应
勾陈 ▅▅▅▅▅ 妻财己酉金 ▅▅▅▅▅ 妻财己酉金
朱雀官鬼己亥水▅▅ ▅▅ 兄弟戊午火 世×→ ▅▅▅▅▅ 妻财辛酉金
青龙 ▅▅▅▅▅ 子孙戊辰土 ▅▅▅▅▅ 官鬼辛亥水 世
玄武 ▅▅ ▅▅ 父母戊寅木 ▅▅ ▅▅ 子孙辛丑土
Danny, would you also care to express your opinion for the above gua?
Reply by Danny VdB 10 hours ago
Hi all,
The decision to use Safin as Subject was already made before the coins were thrown.
Most tennis matches do not have any home player, so that's not a criterion that can be used for all tennis games.
The same is with football world championships, all but one country are playing away from home, so in most matches there is no real home team.
That's why I always use the first name that is listed as the Subject, the second name is the Object.
Since the match was officially listed as Safin-Hewitt it means Safin was Subject.
If the match had been announced as Hewitt-Safin, then Hewitt would have been considered Subject in the reading.
This is an approach that can be consistently used through all games.
There is certain system used in tennis that decides who is listed first or second, I believe it has to do with where the player was in the draw, but we needn't discuss that here.
Anyway, this is how I do it for all tennis and football predictions.
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After the facts when result is known, then it is always easy to find alternative interpretations and reasons why playerA has won, or why playerB has lost.
We all know that I Ching and WWG is very flexible.
If Hewitt had won the match we would probably find reasons in the reading why he won..
That's always the case.
The job is to read it before the match gets underway. My reading was done and published before the match.
Jack's analysis looks "pulled by the hairs" to me, and I am not sure what point he was trying to make here.
KC had asked if Hour can be used, and I told him we had done some experiments with it. He asked for an example, and I gave him.
Now, Jack seems to be trying to prove that Hour is not needed as his message concludes with "Note that the time of match has not been used."
But, nobody has said that Hour is "needed", of course we can still do readings without using the Hour.
All that was said is Hour "can" be used to get extra details as in this example.
We can read WWG in any way we want, but if we don't consider the Hour then there is no possibility to see that Hewitt will have much better start and Safin will only find the winning ways after the Pig Hour arrives.
One thing I found rather odd:
">In this casting, it just happens that the Subject Line is holding the Child whereas the Object Line is holding the Officer. It indicates that it is an individual match rather than a team match."
I think this makes no sense.
We could get this very same hexagram reading just as well for a football match or other team sport.
I have seen many team sport readings where the teams were given by Child and Officer lines.
About 4% of all readings will have Child and Officer as Subject and Object.
So how on earth does it indicate that it is an individual match rather than team match?
I don't see the logic.
Danny
Reply by Danny VdB 9 hours ago
Hi KC,
>Danny, would you also care to express your opinion for the above gua?
As far as I can see, this way of getting the hexagram by divide by 8 method is a flawed method for stock markets.
It is not difficult to see why.
For example we know that stock markets in the same region have a strong correlation.
If Germany goes down 2%, then you can be pretty sure France and Italy are also down that day.
It is no different in Asia, if Tokyo and Hong Kong are falling, then probably Malaysia stocks will also be down that day.
Some countries have more than one Index. In the US we have Dow Jones, Nasdaq, S&P,...
It is no secret that 90% of the time these indices go up or down together.
But of course each of these indices closes with very different numbers on Friday.
So, if we use your divide by 8 method based on Friday's closing price for each Index, then we will inevitably get different results for all exchanges and indices.
We will get very different results and predictions, depending on which index we used.
This proves the method is false, because we know from history that most world markets move in high correlation.
Danny
PS: It is no need to repeat the no offense topic all the time.
This is an international network and we assume that people who join and participate have the maturity not to feel attacked as soon as somebody disagrees with them.
Everyone has equal space to bring his arguments on the table and that's it.
Reply by Jack Chiu 7 hours ago
People may decipher WWG in their own way, but WWG by itself has its own interpretation rules. This is the reason why it can be repeatable, rather than being randomly picked and used. We can be flexible in the way of interpreting the event as circumstance may different, but it has to be explainable by the rules. Like gravitational force to apple. This is the scientific part of WWG. I guess this is the point I want to make.
Regardless of whether it is after-the-fact, the deciphering will be the same. I have done many deciphering, most of them on the fly, and am persistently using those rules. I have launched a complete interpretation of the rule book, one of my publications in applications of Yi-jing, and was largely received by WWG and Yi-jing lovers. I would have received criticism regarding my interpretation of the rules already, if there is any. I offer my reading to this case as academic study for those who found it meaningful and would accept those who may has different opinion, otherwise i will not be responding at the first place.
Regards,
Jack
Reply by KC Goh(吳繼宗) 5 hours ago
Jack,
I can see you probably are responding to Danny's comments. I hope you would still respond to the question I raised in the discussion.
I would invite other ww gua lovers to join in the discussion, people like Harmen Mesker and Nathalie Mourier.
Regards,
KC
Reply by Danny VdB 4 hours ago
Hi Jack,
>People may decipher WWG in their own way, but WWG by itself has its own interpretation rules.
I guess that's where we differ.
There are rules for calculation, and on that point WWG is pretty clear and rigid.
We both are not doing anything different when we calculate Gua Shen, or the timeliness of the lines, etcetera..
That's also why a computer can do that part of the job, because it is rigid mathematics.
But there are no "rules" for interpretation, at the most there is something like "guidelines" for interpretation.
Guidelines are more flexible than rules.
If there were rigid rules for interpretation, then it would not be interpretation, then it would also be part of calculation.
So, this is where schools and people differ : in their way of interpreting the various factors that are calculated in WWG.
For that the rules are not fixed and rigid.
If they were, then a computer would give us the complete interpretation as well, then an astrologer would not be needed.
The calculation part is easily repeatable, but the interpretation part is not.
That doesn't mean the interpretation is random.
Interpretation consists of judgement calls made by the astrologer, that's where he uses his experience.
Usually in a reading not all fingers are pointing in the same direction.
Some factors may favor the Subject line, some factors give advantage to Object, changing lines come in, etcetera.
Then the outcome is not written in stone.
The astrologer makes a judgement call as to which factors will gain the upper hand and shift the balance in one way or the other.
Sometimes it will be a very small detail that makes the difference.
Next the reality proves his judgement right or wrong.
It is in this part that after-the-fact is a lot more easy than before the fact.
The calculation part is the same, but the interpretation is a lot more easy when we know already what was the outcome.
If you don't believe me then you are welcome to post before-the-fact reading about tennis, stock market or whatever you want.
Next I will give my interpretations at the end of the market week or after the match is played.
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Anyway, the real topic of this thread was about using the Hour in WWG.
So far all your comments have done everything except address KC's question, and I start wondering why.
Why don't you just tell KC that you are not in favor of using Hour, or that you think it is unnecessary, or that you have not experimented with it...
All would be perfectly OK answers..
I guess KC just hopes to use Hour for his stock market work.
We are not in China here. It is allowed to give straight answers to straight questions.
Danny
Reply by Jack Chiu 2 hours ago
Danny,
Why does it have to do with China, I don't get it. Perhaps I should learn a bit more western culture before I join this network. One thing I do learn from my limited international experience with over 30 years of business experience in high tech industry with US is that I don't put words in other's mouth and I respect people even business competitors.
Anyway, one thing I guess you are right is that you have different interprettion of the rules, and what you think it is for calculation. I may not exactly know what you are referring to. I may perhpas choose the wrong English word "rule" as it is from your standpoint referring to something rigid. Well, they are in fact quite rigid in order to maintain repeatability. The rules I am referring to is the interaction between lines and i don't think you will be able to calculate. Without these rules, it would be like a hitch hunch and that's why lots of talented and educated people are getting stuck.
The usage of Hour was not registered in WWG. As time evolves, people are tryinig to figure the meaning of Hour in WWG. I am not a big fan of Hour in WWG, but my research makes me an open-minded person as to whether the usage makes sense or not. I use my way of interpretation and highlight to KC that hour was not used. I didn't comment much on it. It is up to KC to search for the answer. In a subtle way, I am answering KC.
As I pointed out, regardless of whether it is after-the-fact, the decipherinig using the interpretation "rules" will be the same because it is repeatable.
I have offer my due service as a member to offer different opinion, now I will excuse myself from the topic.
Regards,
Jack
Reply by KC Goh(吳繼宗) 23 minutes ago
Danny and Jack,
I can feel the heat. Thank you for answering. I am sure many have benefited from the academic debate if they are interested in wwgua.
Regards,
KC
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